jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hello, I apolagize in advance for this post being in english, it is my first language (from UK) and i am still learning norwegian. So i am looking to swap out my 1994 rs2000 4x4 engine for something with a bit more power but need to know what the rules are in regards to changing an engine in norway. I have searched the internet but have not got a definite answer, can someone help? Does the car have to keep the same displacement?Are there rules on changing to a turbo engine? Thank you in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi jdunn91. The rules concerning enige swap's in Norway is as you will find out a bit of hassle. We can start out on the "tuning" part:Here you are allowed to tune/increase the whp with max. +(10%?- Someone correct me if im wrong) WITHOUT furter acception/test/(godkjenning) by the Norwegian "Biltilsyn". As for the engine swap:You are not allowed to swap engines "as you like" here. Your best alternative is to get youre rs2000 rebuilt and approved as a RS Cosworth. You will have to apply to the "biltilsyn", and you will/should have a complete donor car, as you will have to change The brakes etc++ aswell. I haven't done this myself, but this is my understandment of how this works.Hopefully someone with more knowledge will correct if somethings wrong. Best regardsLM Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraracing Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 RS2000 Escort and the Escort Cosworth does not have the same chassis, so that is no easy rebuild. The RS2000 have the same floor as the standard Escort.Nothing like the floor on the Cosworth. Tuning parts for the RS2000 engine is more and more common and you can get desent power from them. Both in turbo and NA-form.Check the Ford Escort RS2000 kit car for example. Ford Sierra bilcrossbil ´89 Ford Escort MK2 Zakspeed ´76 Peugeot 406 2.0TD Stv ´02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr4ti Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Hello and welcome to the forum.When it comes to big remodeling of cars then you have unfortunately moved to the wrong country mate.Cars newer than 1970 is difficult to get approved with radical reconstruction of motor and drive, unfortunately. Is your car registered in Norway or Engeland? Do not know if it is possible to register a rebuilt car approved in England, in Norway Norwegian plates?You have not written what you intend to do with motor and drive but if you still want a NA engine you can buy new camshafts etc thats need to be replaced. There is a thread for such a motor rebuilding here on the forum somewhere, see if I can find the thread for you. The gearbox is not one of the strongest on the RS2000 4x4, so there is a limit to what you can have of horsepower in the car too. Unfortunately, the RS2000 4x4 have not the same baseplate as the Escort Cosworth / Sierra 4x4, so a modification of such a drive is not straight forward. You will never get this approved in Norway either.A simple turbo conversion is a possibility but it is unfortunately difficult to get approved in Norway.Please give us some more input mate! http://www.fordclubnorway.no/forum/topic/66151-taunus-16v/ Edited January 13, 2015 by xr4ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thanks for the quick answers! Hello and welcome to the forum.When it comes to big remodeling of cars then you have unfortunately moved to the wrong country mate.Cars newer than 1970 is difficult to get approved with radical reconstruction of motor and drive, unfortunately. Is your car registered in Norway or Engeland? Do not know if it is possible to register a rebuilt car approved in England, in Norway Norwegian plates?You have not written what you intend to do with motor and drive but if you still want a NA engine you can buy new camshafts etc thats need to be replaced. There is a thread for such a motor rebuilding here on the forum somewhere, see if I can find the thread for you. The gearbox is not one of the strongest on the RS2000 4x4, so there is a limit to what you can have of horsepower in the car too. Unfortunately, the RS2000 4x4 have not the same baseplate as the Escort Cosworth / Sierra 4x4, so a modification of such a drive is not straight forward. You will never get this approved in Norway either.A simple turbo conversion is a possibility but it is unfortunately difficult to get approved in Norway.Please give us some more input mate! http://www.fordclubnorway.no/forum/topic/66151-taunus-16v/ The car was imported and registered a few years back from switzerland. What i was planning was to do a 2.3 conversion with a ford galaxy bottom and rs2000 head then add better cams and throttle bodies etc... However i was interested in seeing if i could swap in either a mk1 focus st170 or rs engine if the norwegian regulations allow it. The rs2000 transfer box is like paper so i dont want to push it on power, I am looking for 190-210hp and a decent amount of torque. The 2.3 conversion wont look much different to the standard set up so maybe that would be the better option? Thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grcossie Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi and welcome. 2.3 Conversion is a goode idea, as it looks more like oe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I am looking for 190-210hp and a decent amount of torque. Im pretty shure you won't be allowed by "biltilsynet"..As i mentioned earlier they only "allow" a 10% increase in whp.This is not a 100% correct, but in case of cars newer than 1970 (as mentioned by xr4ti) this probably wont be allowedwithout something like a TUV/(Dekra?) approval (only considered a recomendation of approval by "biltilsynet"). The easiest thing for you would probably be to sell the RS2000 and buy a Cosworth as far as approval goes. Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi and welcome. 2.3 Conversion is a goode idea, as it looks more like oe Okay that's what il do then. Also can i use a different rs2000 engine for the conversion or should i use the current one? do they check the engine numbers etc? It would be alot easier to buy 2 engines then have to take my current one out.Im pretty shure you won't be allowed by "biltilsynet"..As i mentioned earlier they only "allow" a 10% increase in whp.This is not a 100% correct, but in case of cars newer than 1970 (as mentioned by xr4ti) this probably wont be allowedwithout something like a TUV/(Dekra?) approval (only considered a recomendation of approval by "biltilsynet"). The easiest thing for you would probably be to sell the RS2000 and buy a Cosworth as far as approval goes. If the engine looks stock is it necessary to take it for an approval by "biltilsynet"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If the engine looks stock is it necessary to take it for an approval by "biltilsynet"? Well. Aslong as i looks stock (really stock...) you will probably get away with it on "EU-kontroll"(MOT's), aswell as "teknisk kontroll" (roadside check preformed by "biltilsynet" from time to time).The only time this could become a huge issue is if you have a crash. If the insurance company then have a tecnical controll on your car and discovers modifications they may resign their compensation, and this could turn out quite expensive. As you appologised for writing in English, i may aswell appoligise for my bad english Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Well. Aslong as i looks stock (really stock...) you will probably get away with it on "EU-kontroll"(MOT's), aswell as "teknisk kontroll" (roadside check preformed by "biltilsynet" from time to time).The only time this could become a huge issue is if you have a crash. If the insurance company then have a tecnical controll on your car and discovers modifications they may resign their compensation, and this could turn out quite expensive. As you appologised for writing in English, i may aswell appoligise for my bad english Your english is good, its nice that norwegians can speak it! When i moved over i was worried i wouldnt be able to talk to anyone! Norwegian is a hard langauge to learn! Ok, i have seen these control stops and was wondering how they work? The insurance could be a problem, but its the same in the UK. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Your english is good, its nice that norwegians can speak it! When i moved over i was worried i wouldnt be able to talk to anyone! Norwegian is a hard langauge to learn! Ok, i have seen these control stops and was wondering how they work? The insurance could be a problem, but its the same in the UK. Thanks Well thanks Well, it dependes on the representative from "biltilsynet" i would say.Sometimes they just give it a light check (tires etc) if the "data" ("årsavgift" and insuranse are paid etc) of the car looks ok. As the Escos RS2000, Escos/Sierra Cossworth is known for beeing a popular "modifying object" they often check more thurally.(Severe?) faults/modifications result in a loss of plates right there and then. If they find small things that make them belive the car is modifiedthey could call you inn for a tecnical inspection. There they will check thurally for any modifications etc and you will get a "mangelapp"(paper explaining the foults/modifications that would have to be returned to original and then checked again..) or loose your plates. I have also heard of people having to pay large sums calculated on the ammount of hp that have been increased (i once heard by a friend that works for biltilsynet that the rate is ca. 1000NOK pr WHP..) This only goes for cars that are 10 years old or newer (**FROM import date to Norway) Again, others may correct me if im wrong Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Well thanks Well, it dependes on the representative from "biltilsynet" i would say.Sometimes they just give it a light check (tires etc) if the "data" ("årsavgift" and insuranse are paid etc) of the car looks ok. As the Escos RS2000, Escos/Sierra Cossworth is known for beeing a popular "modifying object" they often check more thurally.(Severe?) faults/modifications result in a loss of plates right there and then. If they find small things that make them belive the car is modifiedthey could call you inn for a tecnical inspection. There they will check thurally for any modifications etc and you will get a "mangelapp"(paper explaining the foults/modifications that would have to be returned to original and then checked again..) or loose your plates. I have also heard of people having to pay large sums calculated on the ammount of hp that have been increased (i once heard by a friend that works for biltilsynet that the rate is ca. 1000NOK pr WHP..) This only goes for cars that are 10 years old or newer (**FROM import date to Norway) Again, others may correct me if im wrong Wow, some of the norwegian rules are crazy? is there a reason why they are so uptight about this? I was told that people used to put v8s in there volvo's but cant anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yup, the rules are strict.It probably is, but nothing i know About. The reason people got approval for V8's in their Volvos was probably that Volvo released documentation that they approved of thisbeeing done. If you get a recomendation for approval by etc. Ford things probably would become alot easier.Ufortunatly this turns out to be impossible, as many Ford entusiasts have tried getting this for their Cosworth's. Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yup, the rules are strict.It probably is, but nothing i know About. The reason people got approval for V8's in their Volvos was probably that Volvo released documentation that they approved of thisbeeing done. If you get a recomendation for approval by etc. Ford things probably would become alot easier.Ufortunatly this turns out to be impossible, as many Ford entusiasts have tried getting this for their Cosworth's. Ahhh i see what you mean! I also would like to know where i stand when i fit the coilovers i ordered, they are TUV approved but will need to get them authorised to? Thank you for your insight on what can and cant be done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM-Cossy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yes you would. Contact youre local controllstation (biltilsyn)and order a appointment for approval. You should know that this cost's a little (1000NOK +- i think?) NP Murphy's lov: alt som kan gå galt vil gå galt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdunn91 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yes you would.Contact youre local controllstation (biltilsyn)and order a appointment for approval. You should know that this cost's a little (1000NOK +- i think?) NP Okay thanks, il make sure to contact them when they have been fitted! thanks again for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grcossie Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Post some Pictures of your car 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvarix Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Okay thanks, il make sure to contact them when they have been fitted! thanks again for your help!You also need a document from your local workshop, that a propper weel alignment has been done after you have lowered the car. -17 Focus Electric Magnetic Grey & -17 Connect Tourneo Race Red-88 2wd baneræcer & -15 Panther black courier 1.0 ecoboost-88 solid black cosworth (2016)& -14 frozen white transit custom sport (2014)-90 mercury grey cosworth (1999)-89 mercury grey cosworth (1998)-86 sort XR4x4 (1996)-77 Taunus 2 IS (1995) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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